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"But, Aren't You Caucasian?..."

Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:43 PM EDT
health-care, religion, buddhism
By Dr Know
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I will set the stage for when this question was asked.

The Abbot of the Thai Theravada Temple I attend regularly was working with one of the dogs. The dog is a large German Shepard. The dog bumped the Abbot who then slipped on a rock. He felt great pain in his leg and ankle so he went to the ER where he had an XRay. The XRay revealed an obvious multiple fracture of the middle of the tibia. The ER doc likely had not had the experience I had investigating accidents for NASA. The first thing we learned to do was ignore the obvious.

The Abbot asked me to accompany him for his first visit to the orthopedist. Turns out this was a very wise request. The orthopedist is from Nigeria. Even though he is Board Certified, his English is very basic. He allowed me to look at the XRay. I saw what he saw. I fracture dislocation of the lower tibia with a displaced and slightly rotated dislocation. The orthopedist said that surgery should have been done in 24-48 hours. This visit was 10 days after the injury. The abbot was immediately admitted to the hospital where the surgeon did his surgeries. It is a Catholic hospital.

The Abbot wanted me to stay with him during the hospitalization because of the possible language problems. Which did occur of course. One of the young monks stayed with him the entire time. I ran the errands one of which introduced me to General Patton's personal sniper which I related in another story. The hospital personnel got a crash course in how Thai Buddhists treat the monks. Theravadan monks eat twice a day. Breakfast is just after sunrise, about 6:30 am. The last meal of the day has to start before local noon, usually 11 am. When I came in carrying a "pintoh", (a multillayered 'lunch box'),for that meal. they asked me what is was about. I had to inform the nurses about that custom so they would understand why no one ate the breakfast, lunch and dinner meals. I had to estimate his intake and output for them.

One of those attending the Abbot was a nice youngish Black woman. (She was not just out of nursing school nor was she nearing retirement...). She asked me a lot of questions about the Abbot, the temple, Buddhism and my partiicpation. After a couple of such short session she asked me the fateful question. "But, aren't you Caucasian?". She was immediately a bit concerned but my laugh put her at ease. I explained how my father had lived in Thailand, Land of the Smile, for many years helping to build the roads, railroad and airports after WWII.

Seems that judging people by their color knows no color barrier contrary to what people would like to believe.

The folly of health care continues. When the Abbot was discharged no instructions were given about restrictions on his activities. I drove him from the hospital to a private home for a ceremony for a woman that was in a coma and about to die after 9 years. Her family was devotedly attending her as the monks were chanting. She was in a hospital bed in the living room of the home. It was a good thing we went in that the woman died later than night.

It is almost a week after the surgery. The abbot still does not have a follow-up appointment with the surgeon.

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Dr Know

We all have a "need" to pigeon hole others based on external observations at times.

  • 3 votes
Reply#1 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:46 PM EDT
believer-369603

Yes, but some of us have the intelligence to keep our judgments to ourselves until we have more information, which usually comes through dialogue.

    #1.1 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:06 PM EDT
    Gwenny

    Not sure why you are surprised. In my experience, "blacks" are more conscious of "race' than any other group of people.

    • 2 votes
    #1.2 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:19 PM EDT
    JoulesBeef

    Um no one says blacks cant be racist.
    heck look at some fo the leaders of the black panthers.. they will tell you straight up they are racists and blacks are better than whites.
    that doesnt mean the NAACP is racist.
    that doesnt mean not votign for palin is sexist.
    that doesnt mean it was ok the gop passed out obama food stamps.

    what i do claim is that blacks can not be oppressive, if they arent in charge.
    but saying hate is limited to white people IS RACIST.
    and frankly i dont see where people make that claim.

    • 1 vote
    #1.3 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:37 PM EDT
    hircus

    What does "Caucasian" even mean anyway. Many Russians discriminate against the real Caucasians (Chechens, Ingushetians, Dagestanis etc.). Being black or white in the States depend on overt skin tones, evidenced by some people with African ancestries passing for white.

    Actually, this story reminds me of a personal anecdote of my own -- when an aunt of mine visited from China, there was some confusion when we were talking about Bali. The Mandarin word for "Hindu" is the same word as that for "Indian", leading her to remark "there's an island full of Indians in Indonesia ??"

    (of course, that leads to the older error of the "West Indies" vs the "East Indies" ...)

    • 1 vote
    #1.4 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:19 AM EDT
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    Darreth01

    Yes... we are all inclined to "Pigeonhole" others... because we are all HUMAN. I would say that depending on where you were you could have gotten this question from ANY color... If I tell people that I am closer to being a buddhist than ANYTHING I usually will get this blank stare. I am bald, 6'4 and 365lbs... and white... the thing is I usually expect this kind of reaction... I live in NE Nebraska... and have come to accept the ignorance... it is NOT always meant as an insult and once people learn this and become a little less sensitive there are going to be a lot less problems in the world. Did any of this rambling make sense?!?! Just asking. *grin*

    • 1 vote
    Reply#2 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
    greck

    I gotta say,

    Having been on your end of conversations just like that more than once (growing up hispanic and looking anglo), this woman's question sounds innocent enough.

    I have a friend (and I'm sure she's going to hit me with a 2x4 for this when I push it too far someday) who looks caucasian, but swears she's black (her dad is, actually) and I can't resist messing with her about the "black power fist" tatoo on her arm.

    The keys are genuineness and respect. it doesn't sound like the nurse was lacking either of those.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#3 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:29 PM EDT
    Sim2Luv

    I know the "pigeon hole" feeling. I get it every time someone here in California hears me speak for the first time. My accent is still very Southern. Therefore, being from Dixie, I must be prejudice against all dark skinned people...at least that is what I have been told on more than one occasion.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#4 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 5:26 PM EDT
    LaBlu

    yep...all of us white folk from the south must be racist. I get that impression alot. Just because I'm very fair, it is assumed that I think a certain way. Just so happens...I'm not as Caucasian as my complexion might lead others to believe.

    My husband worked with a guy that is Hispanic... One day my husband said something about me being part Spanish. The guy made some comment about that not being possible...."she's too light skinned and has blue eyes". My husband had to point out that "she's not Mexican or Puerto Rican, she's Spanish...there's a difference and you, of all people, should know the difference".

    I also met a beautiful young woman that was half Irish and half Chinese...you would never know she had any Asian to her. She looked very Caucasian.

    Never judge a book by it's cover...still holds true! LOL

    • 1 vote
    #4.1 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:09 PM EDT
    Mommy_of2

    LaBlu, You couldnt have put that into better words! I am also part Spanish, Irish, English and Scottish. My grandfather on my dads side being more spanish than all of us. But yet, my skin color does not show it at all. Thats why it is important for people to know not to judge one person from another, you never know...we might all come from that same place! I find it so interesting to meet other people and find out their backgrounds.

    • 1 vote
    #4.2 - Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:46 PM EDT
    LaBlu

    My Father's mother's family came from the Canary Islands. I'm not sure how far back generation wise that they came over here, but it wasn't that long ago. The difference can be seen in her family alone... she had dark hair, fair skin and blue eyes...but one of her brothers has the dark hair and dark complexion. My Father's father was either Irish or Scottish decent and just a touch of American Indian mixed in.
    My Mother's family is French and German. They came over from France just 3 or 4 generations ago.

    The really funny thing to me is the fact that my Mom's family(brothers and sisters) could pass for Italian.

    I just wish they had a "mixed European" category on applications!! LOL Just kidding!

    But honestly....what is "Caucasian"? Is is just being "white"? I've actually marked "other" on several forms and applications.

    • 1 vote
    #4.3 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:07 AM EDT
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    alkimija

    Why would she even bother to ask you about your race? I'm missing something here.

    • 1 vote
    Reply#5 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 12:45 AM EDT
    Darreth01

    Somebody correct me if I'm wrong... but it seems to be a reference to whether or not Dr know was a buddhist... I think...

    • 2 votes
    #5.1 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 1:46 AM EDT
    Dr Know

    She was not offensive in any way. She was just expressing her surprise that an Anglo appearing male would be associating closely with people from another part of the world. Since it is a Catholic hospital it is possible that she has not been exposed to any religion or culture that was not predominantly Catholic. Institutions sponsored by religious groups tend to be that way.

    • 3 votes
    #5.2 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:04 AM EDT
    alkimija

    She was not offensive in any way. She was just expressing her surprise that an Anglo appearing male would be associating closely with people from another part of the world.

    So that's it. I'm glad that she had the opportunity to broaden her horizons and view the world with eyes more open to realities she had in all likelihood not realised had existed.

    At a local Buddhist temple, which I and my daughter love to visit, I regularly see a rainbow of different peoples. Nobody seems surprised to see a person of different skin colour there; neither should they be, imho.

    • 2 votes
    #5.3 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 2:19 AM EDT
    Darreth01

    This question (As I've said before) sounds like something that one of my sister's neighbors here in Nebraska would ask... she is a little tiny thing in her late 70's... there would be NO OFFENSE intended... I don't think that ignorance is a GOOD excuse... but not being that "worldly" is a universal affliction I'm afraid!!! *GRIN*

    • 2 votes
    #5.4 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:46 AM EDT
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    Martin Westenfelder

    The woman had a question.

    You answered the question.

    The woman learned something new.

    A grateful moment.

    • 3 votes
    Reply#6 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 5:01 AM EDT
    Dr Know

    She did seem to have a Zen satori of sorts. Always a good thing to have happen.

    • 2 votes
    #6.1 - Fri Apr 24, 2009 11:09 AM EDT
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